Thread: Flaming outside of the FlameZone

Great idea. I would like to request, however, that you please define 'flaming' - what does it constitute in your view, especially WRT the Coffee Table? Because in my experience, especially as of late, a lot of CT threads become hostile after disagreement, and most of the time all parties are left with a pretty foul taste in their mouths after engaging in debates there. I've found that a lotta times it's not quite WHAT you say, but HOW you say it that makes the difference.

Unfortunately, flaming is a pretty difficult line to draw. Therefore, I cannot really give a list of things that would constitute flaming and things that wouldn't. We'll review each case on it's own merit, and will decide wether it can be regarded as flaming or not.

Hautori's mother is a whore = flame

Hautori's mother renders favours of a sexual nature in exchange for local currency = flame

Hautori, stop being a doos = not really a flame (unless the other person is hyper-sensitive e.g. larch)

Julius Malema is a ****-loving, ****-gobbling, ****-eating utter ****ing **** = not a flame (although you will be nailed for unacceptable behaviour)



It's not hard to work these things out. We rely on people using common sense. I know there isn't much going around, but taking a moment to think about somethign before saying it goes a long way.

[quote name='Jay' date='06 June 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1275844767' post='946865'] Hautori, stop being a **** = not really a flame (unless the other person is hyper-sensitive e.g. larch)[/quote]



Did you just call me sensitive? *blushes*

Hehe. Sorry, you were the perfect example. On regular days, your skin is as thick as any. On bad days, I can see total reported posts tick over like the US national debt

Jay, would "If you started paying the whores, the US national debt would disappear" be considered a flame? Honest question, some forums regard it as a flame whereas other only regard namecalling as flames.



To elaborate on that, some forums would consider it (un)friendly banter with a sharp edge, waiting until I add "you POS" before it became a flame.

Flaming != Swearing



It's that simple. The whole point is that outside of FZ you learn to argue, debate, discuss, etc without the need to insult. Occasionally someone will report something which we dismiss as being hyper-sensitive, but for the most part is a fairly straightforward guideline to stick to.

The part I'm asking about is "If you started paying the whores, the US national debt would disappear"

Depends on context, obviously.

/ducks

Volde, I would love to use that approach, but history has taught us that 95% of people who are given polite warnings choose to respond by pissing all over them. It's not fair on the 5% who listen, but we can't cater to everyone individual and optimism about human nature only last for so long. Now, I moer.



"Damn, Jay, you're such an arrogant doos"



Yes I am, but it works and for the most part it keeps everything ticking along nicely and sometimes it's totally worth it. Look at Oj - a couple of months ago he picked up a temp baan for being a tool. Then he came back and has been a kief oke since. naomin had the same, came back and decided thaat jokes about cooking jews in ovens was fun. We can't win em all...

[quote name='Jay' date='07 June 2010 - 07:34 AM' timestamp='1275888850' post='946921']

Volde, I would love to use that approach, but history has taught us that 95% of people who are given polite warnings choose to respond by pissing all over them. It's not fair on the 5% who listen, but we can't cater to everyone individual and optimism about human nature only last for so long. Now, I moer.



"Damn, Jay, you're such an arrogant ****"



Yes I am, but it works and for the most part it keeps everything ticking along nicely and sometimes it's totally worth it. Look at Oj - a couple of months ago he picked up a temp baan for being a tool. Then he came back and has been a kief oke since. naomin had the same, came back and decided thaat jokes about cooking jews in ovens was fun. We can't win em all...

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Cooking jews in ovens? Sorry but thats point blank sick!

On topic now... I do have to agree with FS here, I have also seen a lot of dudes attacking a topic and not even trying to add value to the thread, instead they trying to shoot the person down totally.

+1 nice work PH dudes

I must say that it's been going pretty well lately. Not sure how the rest of you feel, but I think we made a lot of progress in this area.



You must also remember that we're not unreasonable people. Chances are that if it's your first offence, and you're generally a nice guy, who had a bad morning and flamed someone in a spur of not thinking, that we'll just have a chat with you. We're not unreasonable, and we're not out to get as many people banned as possible. We will assess every situation in it's own merit.



However, we have decided that temp bans is a very effective "warning". Once you get your temp ban, you'll consider strongly what your next actions are going to be, if you want to be here. If you don't, then you'll react in a way that'll get you banned permanently, and then we're all a lot more happy.

[quote name='Jay' date='07 June 2010 - 07:34 AM' timestamp='1275888850' post='946921']

Look at Oj - a couple of months ago he picked up a temp baan for being a tool. Then he came back and has been a kief oke since.

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A word of advice to all - temp bans suck eggs, it's not worth risking